Kim's 428 Flat Bottom Race Boat Project
Checking
In Kim's Parts
Final Sonic Test 
Checking
Bore W/O & Then W/Deck Plate 4.1715
Parting
Lines were Big
< Red Arrow Points to Ground ends on Milodon Bolts, Blue New ARP
Note the
interference of the Milodon Ground Bolt Head and rod recess area!
Recon Rods W/ARP Bolts
Bore Sizes & Oiling Mods for
Block Filter Bracket 
Sonic Testing
Cleaning
RPM before Polishing
10/24/02...Kim, Squeaky sent it back to me as said minimum 550$ for the RPM to do
resonable job...let me know as I told him 350 or so and he can't do it for that...11/5/02
Grinding Kim's crank after
checking bearing clearances.
Balance work with old & new parts
New
Polished Performer RPM (PCV Not Machined yet)
Magneto Images 12/4/02
Ready for Final Assembly 1/17/03
1/24/03
Cam Bearings Fitted, Mains Double Checked for Crank Clearances
Crank & Rear Seal
File Fit Ring
End Gaps (Marine Performance)1/29/03
Hi Kim....Crank/Rods/Pistons installed 2/5/03...sorry no images...Digital back tomorrow
watch for pictures.....George
2/7/03
2/9/03
Intake Holes Off and Dist Bore Off
Larger Aluminum Washers for .100" slotted Intake Holes 2/10/03
Dist Bore Offset
2/21/03
Sleeve Dist. Hole Ede. Intake
2/24/03
2/24/03
Clean Rocker Assemblies 2/24/03
The rebuilt Pump had lots of
broken Rubber impeller pieces in the pipes....cleaned and reassembled with a new gasket
2/25/03
Push Rod Hole Clearance (OK), Valve
Cover Rail to Intake Cover Rail (OK) 2/25/03
Broken Old Impeller pieces in
rebuilt pump(cleaned)
Assembly 2/26/03 Images
B8AZ Sleeve (b/4 Spedi-sleeve) Turned OD to clean wrench marks off.
Paint the Motor at Sealey's Street Rod Body Shop 2/27/03
Liberty Blue Mica 3/1/03
Installation on the Test Stand 3/5/03
3/6/03
3/7/03
3/10/03
3/11/03
3/13/03
3/17/03
3/24/03
3/26/03
Building Shipment Stand 3/28/03.....
4/4/03
Hogan's Manifold installed to check Fit
for CJ Howard 472 (Thanks Kim)
Bill-Of-Materials
Additional Comments 7/23/02
 | No thermostat for this application |
| Test run using our water pump, front cover & motor mounts (Chg to Test Run with Boat setup 2/03) |
| mock up engine with his boat parts though |
| will send us gaskets and hoses as reqd but perhaps not all required |
| wants additional work done to drain back holes in stock Edelbrock heads (Completed) even though rockers restricted. |
| will email packing list for CCX shipment (not all details though), will also note things he's not sending and we need to provide. |
| his distributor (dual point) was not usable and will want us to provide MSD Billet, 6AL box and epoxy filled coil if appropriate. |
| will forward ARP special fasteners from ARP as required for locations specified |
| will us pan bolts not studs, Milodon pan has been refurbished and has no separate tray just built in baffles. we are not to paint it and us as received. will also send Oil pump pickup and we will ensure correct installation etc. |
| M5 Edelbrock exhaust manifolds are ok to use as is, have been PC'd and surfaced etc. |
| mentioned caps aren't tight in block and may have been peened. We will do complete review of all block specifications for our assembly. |
| sending 750 Dbl pumper that will be ready to run when we receive it....we should need no additional carb work (in general) |
| more to follow as of 7/23/02 PM per call from Kim |
| Information received for unpacking Box 8/30/02 As agreed am 'computerizing' the list of parts in DA 'BOX' (previously faxed 8/17/02) all pages not clear. Trust fax cover sheet with instructions for opening box was legible. The following is a list of the parts shipped to you in boxes within the crate (u) indicates used part (n) indicates new or rebuilt and unused. Box A (u) Milodon full sump oil pan w/new gold zinc plating and clear coat, drain plug included. (n) Comp. cams custom grind #33-000-5 ser #3991-2002161 (spec sheet to follow) (n) ARP #155-4001 head stud kit (n) #CS4040 std. Rollmaster timing chain set (n) FE MAX 427 stainless steel roller rocker assy. (for Edelbrock heads w/.050 offset intake arms, inc. mounting studs. Box B (n) #E-261k-40 Sealed power ring set (u) valley pan (u) 2 pr. oil baffles- 1 new style, 1 old style (from boat) (n) Ford performance oil pump drive shaft # M6605-A427 (n) intake gasket set, Napa performance # 95159SG (u) 1 pr. Carroll Shelby, pent roof, finned alum. valve covers (professionally polished) (u) chrome alternator bracket (u) alternator belt) Box C (n) Comp. cams #834-16 Hyd. lifters (u) Ford harmonic balancer # C1AE-6316A w/bolt & washer (u) 8 connecting rods- reconditioned big end w/new Milodon 13/16 bolts (u) harmonic balancer spacer (may replace) (u) Milodon oil pump pick-up (u) near new timing chain w/water pump drive attached (neo-vane) and oil slinger Don't know if any machine work required for water pump drive to new timing chain (cam driven) (u) cam keeper w/ bolts. (u) flex plate to crank bolts w/ring Box D (u) cast alum. front cover/motor mount (boat application) professionally polished (u) boxed Neo-vane water pump #205 w/ new rubber impeller. Do not run dry! (n) box misc. mock up gaskets and seals (u) dip stick w/tube from boat... May replace (u) envelope containing bagged & labeled parts and fasteners, (temp. sender & plugs intake man. chrome Dist. hold down, etc. Box E (n) box Speed-pro pistons w/pins #L2303NF (piston skirts noted) plus # LR261-16 Spiro locks (u) bundled (7) cooling system hoses with attachments and notations where they connect to motor. Some of these may require replacement. Eventually with braided. $$ (u) oil filter adapter # COAE 6834A (u) oil pressure sender (marine) (u) alternator mount (to front cover) (u) box Motorola marine alternator/regulator # RA12N452S verified in good working condition (u) cast aluminum bellhousing/ rear motor mount w/ motor plate attached, bellhousing professionally polished. (culver city only remaining legible markings on bellhousing) (u) Flexplate w/ Borg-Warner velvet drive clutch disc attached. Box F (n) new rebuilt marine starter # 3131 Box G (u) cast alum. Edelbrock M-5 water jacketed exhaust manifolds. Professionally polished. Gasketed by Kim R., units have been pressure tested good and flanges machined flat (u) bag w/6 chrome fittings for water circulation thru exhaust manifolds Box H (n) fresh rebuilt Holley # 4779 4brl. dbl pumper carb. Bench flow tested good w/ spark arrestor air cleaner attached. Boxes (n) 2ea. containing new Edelbrock heads # 60089 (these are the heads you built)(Upgrade Oil Drain Back Holes) Block (u) '70 428CJ cast date OA6 bored .040 over w/ 1UB crank installed. Instructions for block removal on crate Ski tow (u) since this piece mounts to the front two holes in intake and water pump covers thought for correct bolt length etc. you should have this piece too. As discussed previously you didn't get 1. A HV oil pump 2. any bearings 3. Valve cover breathers 4. Distributor/ coil (rev. Limiter) 5. bulk of fasteners (am ordering stainless from ARP) exception may be intake manifold since we talked about the importance of full depth, don't know the Ede heads and performer RPM requirements. Never had a chance to check since I shipped the manifold to you for Dove smog modification. You may have to obtain these fasteners from ARP direct, sorry. Hope this list enables you to comfortably unpack the parts and begin the quest. As I indicated in our recent phone conversation I will be forwarding pictures of hose connections, alternator brackets etc. to facilitate mock up. Regards Kim (8/30/02) Will revise and update 3/30/03....... |
Date: 6/29/02 Customer: Kim Robertson Current FE 06/2002 |
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Job #: Estimate Engine Type: 428 Ford Engine Year: Mid 60's |
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Kim had most of the basic engine work completed and want's this work double |
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checked. Cam bearings wern't installed and final clean wasn't completed. |
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We will recheck and complete work and do additionl oiling mods as required etc. |
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Updated 2/7/03 for Final Assembly with standard FE parts then cheage to |
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required Boat application parts for shipment as requested |
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Updated 3/29/03 (some slight revisions yet to be added) |
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QTY |
DESCRIPTION |
PRICE |
TOTAL |
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Block Labor Options |
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1 |
1 |
Clean Iron Cylinder Block _____-_____-__ |
62.00 |
62.00 |
1 |
1 |
Magna Flux Cylinder Block (OK) |
54.00 |
54.00 |
5 |
5 |
Install DuraBond Performance Cam Bearings (________) |
9.00 |
45.00 |
1 |
1 |
Install deck plate and check cylinder bores at .040 for TRW pistons |
48.00 |
48.00 |
8 |
8 |
Deglaz with Deck Plate as Reqd 85# Torque W/ARP Lube (Hd Studs) |
12.00 |
96.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Drill 3/8" Oil Pump Passage to 1/2" & Chamfer. Port Match Oil Filter Bkt to |
118.00 |
118.00 |
Block & Chamfer, Align Main Bearing |
- |
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Oil Holes Using New Main Bearings as Required. |
- |
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1 |
We will recheck align bore with correct torques etc and proceed as required |
84.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Align Bore Block ______# Torque W/______ Lube |
168.00 |
168.00 |
5 |
Side Weld And Fit Caps To Block As Required |
28.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Mill Rear Main Cap for Bolt Clearance x |
38.00 |
38.00 |
1 |
1 |
We will measure deck height and verify it's square (Kim siad 10.144 now) |
34.00 |
34.00 |
1 |
Square Deck On Block at 10.1___" (Stock FE Deck is 10.170") |
145.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Thread Rear Oil Galley Plugs (Original Press In Style) |
24.00 |
24.00 |
8 |
8 |
File Fit Rings Marine Application |
8.00 |
64.00 |
1 |
1 |
Sonic Check Block 10/2/02 4.170-4.173" Bore x |
40.00 |
40.00 |
Crank Labor Options |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Clean Crankshaft Forge # 1UB (10/10 as recvd) x |
19.00 |
19.00 |
1 |
1 |
Magna Flux Crankshaft (OK) x |
28.00 |
28.00 |
1 |
1 |
Check Alignment (Ok in Spec) x |
- |
- |
1 |
1 |
We will recheck crankshaft and proceed as required for correct clearances x |
24.00 |
24.00 |
1 |
Rods: 2.418/2.4175 Mains 2.7275 |
35.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Check & Grind Crankshaft R:020 M:020 Radius: 5/64" R & M x |
114.50 |
114.50 |
Connecting Rod Labor Options & Required Operations |
- |
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8 |
8 |
Install Pistons On Connecting Rods (Floaters) |
8.00 |
64.00 |
8 |
8 |
Clean Rods (Forge # ______-______-___) |
3.50 |
28.00 |
8 |
8 |
Magna Flux Rods (7 OK 1 Broke & we replaced) |
4.50 |
36.00 |
8 |
8 |
We will torque Milodon bolts as reqd and check big ends to our specifications |
6.50 |
52.00 |
Big ends checked and not round, Bolts have ground to clear rod recess-Change |
- |
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- |
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8 |
8 |
Recondition Big End at 50# Torque W/ARP Lube (New ARP# 155-6002) x |
18.00 |
144.00 |
8 |
8 |
We will check center to center length and most importantly the concentricity |
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verify the pin bores are at exact right angles, these rods were most likely not |
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machined center to center with a boreable bushing and we're not likely to use |
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as is….too much risk they aren't machined perfectly square to the deck |
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8 |
8 |
Remove & Replace Pin Bushings |
5.50 |
44.00 |
8 |
8 |
Fit Pin Single Fit (______________) |
10.00 |
80.00 |
8 |
8 |
Machine Center To Center Distance (Boreable Bushings)( Incl In Above $) |
- |
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8 |
8 |
We will measure width of rods to ensure near .870 wide and compare to crank |
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Journal widths to predetermine the measured and expected side clearance |
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8 |
Side Clearance Rods To _______ |
8.50 |
- |
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Other Labor |
- |
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2 |
2 |
Update and improve Edelbrock Drain Back Holes per Kim x |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Machine OD of Used Dampner Sleeve Seal and install Speedi-Sleeve |
12.00 |
12.00 |
1 |
1 |
Prepare Motor for Paint work at Body Shop |
44.00 |
44.00 |
2 |
2 |
Pressure Check Aluminum Intake Manifolds-update as reqd(polished one only) x |
48.00 |
96.00 |
2 |
2 |
Machine Edelbrock Intakes for rear PCV Valve/Plate (Dove) |
85.00 |
170.00 |
These Operations Are After Dummy Checking Engine Assembly And |
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Prior To Final Engine Assembly |
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1 |
0 |
Machine Intake Push Rod Holes For Assembled Clearance (As Reqd) OK x |
88.00 |
- |
Dummy Engine Assembly To Check All Clearances As Follows: |
- |
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Mandatory Operations, Prior to Engine Balancing & Building For All Engine |
- |
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- |
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1 |
1 |
Install Crankshaft Main Bearings In Housing Bore At Correct Torque _____ |
124.00 |
124.00 |
Of ______# Using Bolt/Stud Lube _______, To Obtain Size To Grind |
- |
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Crankshaft Mains _______ For Clearance Of .0___" |
- |
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8 |
8 |
Install Connecting Rod Bearings In Rods At Correct Torque _____ W/Lube |
12.50 |
100.00 |
Of _____, And Obtain Size To Grind Crankshaft To For Clearance Of .0___" |
- |
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If New Rods Or Reconditioned Check The Tang Cut In The Rods For --- |
- |
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Correct bearing Fit In The Cap And In The Rod - (Correct If Required) |
- |
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8 |
8 |
Verify Piston Protrusion Or Piston Recession To Deck Is Consistent At ____ |
4.50 |
36.00 |
Completed 2/7/03 check w/clay for clearance also (OK) |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Balance Engine Rotating Assy Complete (Bob Weight 2293 Grams) x |
265.00 |
265.00 |
Assemble Engine Complete (As Listed) (Nov - Jan Only) |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Assemble FE Short Block providing all Specifications/Clearances/Torques |
625.00 |
625.00 |
Camshaft Degreed,customer to provide front block plate, timing cover etc |
- |
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we will check dampner, seal sleeve etc to be sure in good condition for assy |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Adder for long block with Std parts then change to Boat parts as required a |
445.00 |
445.00 |
1 |
Optional Adder If Special Engine Circumstances Etc. |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Remove Timing Cover and install Stud for Alternator Brkt as reqd |
34.00 |
34.00 |
- |
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Total Labor Required As Listed Above |
3,375.50 |
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Part List Options/Requirements |
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1 |
1 |
Main Bearing Set MS863P-20 Mich 77 x |
66.80 |
66.80 |
8 |
8 |
Rod Bearings CB760P-20 Mich 77 Rod Bearings x |
4.56 |
36.48 |
1 |
1 |
FP33 Cam Bearings (Std FE Blocks)Alternate Dura Bond FP33 ax |
40.41 |
40.41 |
F-33 22.22$, FP-33 40.41$(Perf) or FP-33T 64.55$ (Perf Coated) |
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8 |
8 |
2304V20 Pin Bushings For Pin End Of Stock Type FE Connecting Rods x |
2.49 |
19.92 |
1 |
1 |
260-1035 Base Felpro Gasket Set (Used our new Gasket set not Kim's) ax |
62.85 |
62.85 |
1 |
1 |
Intake Gasket Upgraded to Victor Nitro Seal 95159SG (By Kim) a |
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2 |
2 |
1020 Felpro Head Gaskets (Aluminum FE Heads) x |
35.17 |
70.34 |
1 |
1 |
Brass Frost Plug Set 381-8017 x |
5.85 |
5.85 |
1 |
0 |
Comp 3108 HI-TECH Dbl Roller Race Set O/S Rollers (Used Kim T/Set) a |
- |
- |
1 |
22550 Milodon HD Performance Oil Pump Shaft By Kim |
- |
- |
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1 |
1 |
224-41177 F/M Hi-Vol Oil Pump Melling x |
55.46 |
55.46 |
Pistons As Required For Compression Ratio And Application |
- |
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Kim to provide new TRW psitons and LR261 locks to us |
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8 |
F/M L2245F-__ Forged Pistons 428 (-12.7 CC's) Not Available |
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8 |
F/M L2303F-__ Forged Pistons 428 (-8.3CC) CJ Not Available |
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Ring Set As Required For Application |
- |
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1 |
E-261K-__ F/M Moly Ring Set 428 5/64 5/64 3/16 |
- |
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Roller Rocker Systems |
- |
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Kim to handle Shelby style Rocker system |
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- |
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- |
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Camshaft & Lifter Options |
- |
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1 |
1 |
We will need Your Comp Cam returned for the short block |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Engine Oil Supplement for Break-In 1052367 (1/3 in Filter & 2/3 in Oil) x |
6.15 |
6.15 |
16 |
16 |
Smith Brothers Push Rods 9.057" 5/16 x .083 Wall ewc 2/10 x |
10.50 |
168.00 |
2 |
2 |
22470 Moroso Performance Oil Filters (one For Assembly Test Run + One) x |
10.00 |
20.00 |
- |
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1 |
BHJ SFI Dampner (Neutral FE) FO-IBFE-7 |
288.00 |
- |
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1 |
Innovator-West Aluminum SFI Fluid Dampner (Silicon Filled) |
335.00 |
- |
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1 |
Ford B8AZ-6359-A Seal Tube (Behind Dampner) |
98.50 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
ARP 150-2501 Dampner Bolt 5/8" 189# W/ARP Lube |
19.95 |
19.95 |
1 |
378704-S Long Crankshaft Key (Ford FE) |
3.95 |
- |
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1 |
1/4 x 1/4 x 3/4" Long Dampner Key |
2.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
Felpro Speedi-Sleeve 16217 2/27/03 x |
8.59 |
8.59 |
Transmission/Bell Housing/Clutch |
- |
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We will need all of your rotating components here for the balance work |
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Flywheel/Flexplate |
- |
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- |
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Other Parts Required for Motor Assy |
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2 |
2 |
U-6 Hose Clamps SS 178750-0050 x |
1.54 |
3.08 |
2 |
2 |
Tayor Black wire look bracket sets x |
6.46 |
12.92 |
1 |
1 |
Holley Base Carb Gasket x |
1.99 |
1.99 |
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Other Options |
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1 |
1 |
Sealy Body Shop Liberty Blue Plus 3hrs labor (Their Invoice) x |
246.00 |
246.00 |
1 |
1 |
LOKAR Oil Dip Stick & Tube Kit x |
65.95 |
65.95 |
1 |
FE Ford Oil Filter Adapter (Stock) 427 COAZ-A |
43.47 |
- |
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1 |
Ford FMS M6881-C100 Remote Oil Filter Kit (Sgl Filter) W/Hoses & Ftgs. |
69.95 |
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Cylinder Head Valve Train Components |
- |
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2 |
2 |
Customer has Edelbrock heads w/out inner springs installed |
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8 |
8 |
Accel Spark Plugs 416 x |
1.75 |
14.00 |
2 |
2 |
Dove PCV Kit For FE's W/Rear Hole Incls Canister/Mesh/Plate & PCV Valve x |
78.00 |
156.00 |
4 |
4 |
FP485 Deck Dowels For FE Block Decks x |
0.39 |
1.56 |
1 |
1 |
MRG Carb Stud Kit x |
5.55 |
5.55 |
1 |
_____-_____ Ford OEM Cam Plate Retainer |
45.00 |
- |
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1 |
FE Fuel Pump Eccentric |
45.00 |
- |
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Fuel Log & Fittings |
- |
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- |
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Valve Covers & Breathers |
- |
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2 |
2 |
FMS M6766-A302 Twist On Breathers x |
7.95 |
15.90 |
Air Cleaners |
- |
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Ignition Components |
- |
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- |
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Fasteners For Engine Assembly |
- |
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- |
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1 |
1 |
155-6002 3/8" ARP Rolt Bolt Set 50# W/ARP Lube x |
65.56 |
65.56 |
1 |
1 |
255-1002 ARP Cam Bolt (see New Cam Plate Above)190PSI PRO Series x |
6.75 |
6.75 |
1 |
Gessford Special washer for Cam Bolts |
12.00 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
ARP 155-5201 MBK Main Bolt Kit x |
58.61 |
58.61 |
1 |
ARP 100-2801 FE Flywheel Bolt Set |
9.95 |
- |
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1 |
ARP 100-9902 small ARP Lube pack |
1.54 |
- |
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1 |
ARP 100-9903 Large Tube ARP Lube |
7.10 |
- |
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1 |
1 |
155-6002 ARP 3/8" Rod Bolt Set 50# W/ARP Lube x |
65.56 |
65.56 |
Block/Crankshaft/Rods Castings (Donor Engine Castings) |
- |
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- |
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New FE Engine Components Available |
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1 |
1 |
C7AE-B to replace C6AE-C Rod Core x |
4.00 |
4.00 |
Test Run Break-In Allowance |
- |
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1 |
1 |
SAE 5-30 Oil Supplies two fills x |
34.27 |
34.27 |
Freight Allowance on In Bound Parts |
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1 |
1 |
Smith Bros Push Rods 8.43, x |
8.43 |
8.43 |
1 |
1 |
Inbound CCX Motor Freight Collect 8/22 x |
258.41 |
258.41 |
1 |
1 |
Steel for Shipping Stand 3/27/03 x |
28.93 |
28.93 |
Freight Allowance on Out Bound Parts |
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See http://www.gessford.com/cobraparts/fords.htm For Addl. Parts Prices |
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Total Parts Required As Listed Above |
1,634.27 |
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Total Quote For This Engine Job (Parts & Labor) |
5,009.77 |
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All Prices Subject To Change |
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04/10/03